While all four are pretty commonly available, the .270 Winchester and the 7mm Remington Magnum are by far the most popular out of the bunch. Taking the nostalgia out of the equation, the .280 Remington makes more sense, or perhaps I should say is more versatile for the one-gun hunter. I can't part with either one!!! Ballistics on each are nearly the same however the cost of doing the 7x57 Imp places me about $255.00 over budget when the chamber reamer and extra dies are factored in . That’s not the point, or at least it shouldn’t be whenever one hears the 7mm vs 30 caliber argument. All of them will kill deer with equal efficiency. I have a lovely Ruger Model 77 in 7 x 57 Mauser too, but thought just to be on the safe side to up gun from that to the 280. I don't hand load, so would be reliant on factory ammunition. Calibre 7x57R en vente en ligne sur l'armurerie française, bénéficiez des meilleurs conditions tarifaires et d'une livraison très rapide. Two classic 7mm cartridges, both with well-established reputations as all-around choices for general big game hunting, and both with a fair number of devotees. Those were right around 50 KPSI and 2800 FPS. Using a rimless, bottlenecked case measuring 57mm (2.244 inches) and a bullet diameter of 7.25mm (0.284 inches)—the land diameter is where the 7mm moniker is derived—the Mauser design used a 173- to 175-grain round nose bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2300 fps. Reactions: WVgoodguy22. All comments are welcome and appreciated. That said, the 7x57mm Mauser can be a very versatile cartridge as well. 100 yard Ballistic Gel testing a 140gn Core-Lokt bullet. It shot good as a 7x57 and still shoots good as a 280 Rem, but the difference is not noticable downrange, since I reload. My great room is littered with reloading manuals, articles ECT. I must say I'm a little surprised that an innocent little thread like this contains so many fierce defenses of one cartridge against another. Edited to add; I see now that cptpoly posted the same link, good info though. Seen more than a few taken with .270's and 30-06 though. Apr 26, 2017 #5 STOMP442 said: Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. fredj, being the Sako maniac I am, it is on a M-75 action with a McMillan stock, Wiseman barrel, and Wiseman 'printing' of the action. Like @wbm says, fine … Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:22 pm Posts: 459 Location: Washington State, USA I guess the nostalgia of the 7x57 appeals to me over the 280. 280 Rem. par flu-flu » 09 Fév 2005 21:54 . I load for my sister's 7x57, and RL-17 has given some great velocity in that case. Same with all the short action chamberings vs similar, but longer cartridges. 01 October 2011, 00:40. vs. .300 Ultra Mag. A modern rifle in good condition being the only rider. Still- kind of surprised the differences aren't even greater. Few would consider the 7x57 a good choice for elephant or Cape buffalo, but it does make a great choice for deer, elk, black bear and a good number of the African plains game species. SAAMI spec pressure is higher with the 270 65KPSI vs 60KPSI for the 280. In the hands of explorer/hunters like Walter Dalrymple Maitland Bell, known by his African nickname “Karamoja,” the 7x57mm Mauser—marketed in the U.K. as the .275 Rigby—would be used as an all-around cartridge, for animals as small as impala all the way up to elephant. Factory 7x57 loads typically run from 139 to 175 grains, so Hornady's 150-grain ELD-X and 162-grain ELD Match appeared perfectly suited for this. vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. I can't say anything about the .270 Winchester that hasn't already been written unless I lie. I used to shoot the 170 gr. 7mm STW. Nothing I've pointed it at in anger has gone more than a step or two.~Muir The 7x57 is one of my favorite Bushveld calibers but might be a bit to slow if you planning to take some of long shots at game. Mag. Mar 2, 2013 #8 This is a bit like a 308 or 30/06 thread. Cartridge Fight: .270 Win. Another very underrated cartridge with limited demand. More Guns. Supporter . I can't part with either one!!! I've got months to find a round that shoots well out of my .308, but October will be here quick. I find no bad or negative comments written on either cartridge. I'm glad someone created the 6mm but it wasn't a necessity to fill a gap. Last year I contracted for a custom 7x57 … Our modern bullets have done nothing but help the 19th century cartridge, making it even more effective than it was in the 1890s. Can run 280/160's at 3,000 fps when taken to AI pressure level. The 7x57 would seem to fit the bill, and I like the idea of using such an old chamfering, but would a 7x64 be a more pragmatic choice? EDIT: Also found a 7x57 test that I did on 150 grain bullets. Mag.• .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards• .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum• .22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift• .270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM• .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum• .458 Win. Effective Game Killing Cartridge of the month: 300 Winchester Magnum Inspiration Show all Inspiration 10 tips for hunters in quarantine Wild Berlin - Hunting in urban areas All of them will kill deer with equal efficiency. emotional thing since I liked my 7x57 so much. Toute cartouche de calibre .30 fournit plus d'énergie qu'une cartouche de 7 mm comparable. Under 200 yards you can't tell the difference. Does the old 7x57 offer enough to make a hunter choose it over the .280? Last year I contracted for a custom 7x57 built by Mike McCabe (z1r). Mag.• .300 RSAUM vs. .300 WSM• .500 Jeffrey vs. .505 Gibbs• 7mm RUM vs. .300 RUM• .308 Winchester vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .260 Remington• .303 British vs. 8x57 Mauser• .30-06 Springfield vs. All Other .30s• .17 HMR vs. .17 WSM• .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express• 350 Legend vs. .35 Remington• .280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. Twist rates for rifle barrels tend to differ slightly from manufacturer to manufacturer and from decade to decade (1:9-1:10), therefore, experimentation with the full range of 7mm bullet weights is often a requirement. 28 Nosler. It did, for the first few decades of its existence, suffer from the incredible popularity of both the .30-06 Springfield and the .270 Winchester, and went through that weird name change debacle in the late 70s/early 80s when it was known as the 7mm Express Remington. After the Spanish-American War of the late 1890s, our military was forced to re-examine the .30-40 Krag; ultimately the influence of the 7x57mm Mauser gave rise to the .30-06 Springfield that we still hold so dear. .257 Rigby/7x57 Mauser.257 Rigby is what British gunmakers called the 7x57 at one time. It will offer a velocity advantage of about 300 fps or so over the 7x57mm Mauser with most bullet weights, and the most popular choice for the .280 Remington seems to be the 140-, 150- and 160-grain slugs. Can you can get a 7x57 160 loaded 2,850 to 2,900 fps? fredj, being the Sako maniac I am, it is on a M-75 action with a McMillan stock, Wiseman barrel, and Wiseman 'printing' of the action. Nous vous livrons également au drive sans-contact du Magasin de Nîmes. By today’s standards, the 7x57mm Mauser is in the same league, albeit slightly less powerful than the .270 Win., .280 Rem., 7mm-08, and .284 Win. The .280 is an excellent shooter, I don't recollect anyone here having one that doesn't love theirs, mine include. Everything else being equal, what is the velocity differential between the 280 and 7x57 using reasonable maximum loads in a modern action? The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. Both the 7x57 and 280 are capable of somewhat higher pressures than this. Alas, like the 7x57 it suffers somewhat from a low maximum breech pressure, 56,000 psi. #2 Short actions chamberings and rifles are simply more accurate. 280 Ackley Improved Load Data; 7mm Winchester Short Magnum Load Data; 7mm Remington Magnum Load Data; 7mm Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 7mm Shooting Times Westerner (STW) Load Data ... 7mm (7x57) 7mm-08 Rem. #3 The more efficient cases are a big part of the reason for enhanced accuracy since the powder burns more consistently. Palouser Post subject: Re: 7x57 or 7x57 AI. One of the greater benefits of the 57mm case design is that velocity is limited to a level which tends to bring about optimum bullet performance with regard to terminal ballistics. Check it out! I've loaded the 175 in the 280 using 58 grains of 7828 for, SAAMI for the 7x57 is 51Kpsi. 270 vs 280 vs 280 AI vs 7mm Rem Mag Ammo Selection. 7mm Rem Ultra Mag. Bell took over 1,000 elephants in his career, and a good percentage of them were with a .275 Rigby and 175-grain solid (non-expanding) bullets. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … Of course you are right on the money. Illustrations courtesy of Hornady March 05, 2013 By Brad Fitzpatrick. The 300 WSM has proven to be more accurate than a 300 win mag. DrMike Post subject: Re: 7x57 or 7x57 AI. Factory specifications for a 7mm MAuser are worthless comparisons to the handloader who is the only person to realize the potentioal of this case size. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. In the first editions, a load is given for the .450/.400 Nitro Express (3 inch), but by Re: 500Whisper Vs 12,7x57 Anthis. Reactions: Gb300wm, DHuffman and Mulligan. 7mm WSM. The truth is that the 7x57 has proven itself adequate for even the world's biggest game under the right circumstances. The 7-08 in place of the 7x57 loses nothing a deer would notice. It’s on a VZ-24 Czech military Mauser action. To simplify the question, the .270 holds more powder and it can shoot the same weigh bullets. Next Last. I am an idiot who needs sleep. They also need less powder … Killing a big bull at a steep quartering angle takes a very good cartridge topped by a tough, deep-penetrating bullet. The case capacity and velocities generated by the .280 Remington make is a great choice for those who want the capability to take elk at 400 yards, bear over bait at 40 yards, and everything in between. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … ! Both the 7x57 and 280 are capable of somewhat higher pressures than this. Joined Feb 25, 2019 Messages 17 Location Colorado . I have two 7x57 loads that both test near 55 KPSI, and which both put a 160/162 grain bullet at a trifle under 2750 FPS. Go. There is a long list of cartridges that spawned from other cartridges that became phenomenal creations. The longer .280 Remington and other similar capacity cartridges actually add little killing power, but their increased recoil and muzzle blast make it seem as if they do. vs. .300 Wby. Privacy Policy   •   Contact Us   •   Warnings   •   FAQs   •  © 2020 National Rifle Association of America, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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Well, I run a .280 with 139s/140s at 3100-3150. were included in that article, but could not match the four short list cartridges in the area of availability of rifles and ammunition (read popularity). It is a flat-shooting cartridge, and though it does have more recoil than does the Mauser, it’s very user-friendly. If you look at Nolser manual #6 they use custom barrels. 1 of 2 Go to page. Haut. 7x57 or 280 Remington. We've got you covered.• .300 Win. 7x57 Mauser What rifle are you buying marked .257 Rigby? The 7mm Showdown: 7x57 vs. 7mm-08 Rem. The 7x57 is a nice upgrade to that. The .35 I’d reserve for the last three, while the others require no more than the other options. Pitiful. In the High Velocity guise—the throat of the chamber is modified to work best with the 140-grain bullets—as is so popular in the U.K. for stalking red deer and hunting roe deer, the cartridge handles those species perfectly. Vs 30-06 discussion as a military cartridge by Spain in 1893 States year... 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