Here is a quick lesson on how to quick quarter: Joined Feb 2, 2020 Messages 455. Que diferencia creeis que hay entre ambos si comparamos un 30-06 en semiautomatico con 51cm de cañon con un 308w en cerrojo y 56cm de cañon??? 30/06 with 180g Partition, 190g Nosler LRAB with R#26 7 Mag with 175g LRAB with R#26 Elk have got a lot stouter than when I used a 7x57 with 140g Sierra flat base and 7 Mag with 140g Nosler ballistic tips. It is a good balance of power vs. recoil and might well be the perfect elk cartridge. Splitting hairs with arguments like the age old “.308 vs.30-06” are pretty much a toss-up. By Joseph von Benedikt. These 10 cartridges and favorite rifles will bring down bulls anywhere. Sure it can run around the track and even go fast, but is it a winning plan to drive it in a race? Yup, the .270 will kill elk, every Jack O’Connor fan (including me) knows that to be true. You must keep that sectional density up there if you want to penetrate elk, and bullet weight is how you do that. Shots that would cause deer or moose to give up and die just aggravate elk. An ethical hunter with a .270 should pass on the shot. Fusions are not bonded cup and core, they are electroplated copper onto lead. There are many degrees of wounded. It always is. One thing about that last point. Ethically most people don't shoot at a distance to where an smaller round will matter anyway. When I found the perfectly expanded bullet while quartering the animal for transport, however, I decided that I would take my .338 WM if I ever went for big bulls or longer shots. 2 shots 338Mag Swift A-Frame 125yds, 4 shots 338Mag Swift A Frame 370yds , my son 30'06 180gr FailSafe 1 shot 160yds.I think as usual shot placement trumps most other factors. This commercial round approximates the ballistics of the old .300 H&H Magnum. Federal Fusion 30-06 for Elk. Everything from whitetail deer to elk or even bear at a variety of ranges were taken with a rifle chambered in .30-06.. Nowadays, there are many more options, and there’s an ongoing debate as to whether or not the .30-06 is the best round for the big game challenge. of energy. A 30-06 loaded with a 180-grain spitzer boat tail to 2800 feet per second has the minimum energy to kill an elk out to 750 yards, adequate energy to 300 yards, and preferred to 175 yards. the one that i dropped with my 338 had a .270 150 grain bullet through one lung and did not bleed outside the body as the round stopped before exiting. Best cartridges for elk include:.300 and 7mm Magnums.30-06.45-70.338 Magnums; Regardless of cartridge, optimizing the bullet weight and bullet type is exceptionally important. But if I have a choice, I am bringing the dragon killer with the best bullet I can find. Our Favorite Cartridges and Rifles for Hunting Elk. The .338 Win. Best 30-06 Ammo Comparison Sellier & Bellot 30-06 180 Gr SP VS Sellier & Bellot 300 win mag 180 Gr SPCE All too often the letters I get preaching about using smaller cartridges for elk or any other big game are thinly disguised bragging sessions about the writer’s shooting ability. He also was shooting a .338 RUM. Thinking that your deer cartridge is big enough might be a mistake. Elk are the American equivalent of our Sambhar deer , so .30-06 Springfield is definitely a good choice for these animals. This is the .300 Ultra Mag. Sure, it takes practice. I'm in the process of working up a load for my dad for his .30-06. The .28 Nosler cartridge is one of the best cartridges for hunting elk and other large game. or 180 grain horna last year, i saw three elk shot with 30-06's that ran up to 70-80 yards without dropping a bit of blood. A 30-30 will handle Elk and Blackies, good shot placement is key. El tema en cuestion no es comparar los dos calibres, es compararlos en determinadas situaciones. 30-06 es aproximadamente un 10% más potente que .308, o más, hasta un 15% con balas pesadas. I've seen a lot of elk … The 30-06 can shoot heavier bullets at a higher velocity than the .308 (~100-200fps faster with the same bullet). Mark Bansner can build you one. • Even though there are 40+ years between development of the two cartridges, they share a lot in common when used for hunting in modern times. There is simply no profit in messing with diminutive cartridges while hunting elk. firing a 225-grain Barnes MRX, you can penetrate all that elk, leave a big exit hole for a blood trail (if you need it) and probably have enough power left to plow a furrow in the dirt deep enough to plant a row of peas. 30 06 Ammo For Elk Hunting And 30 06 M1 Garand Ammo Review get low cost} prices 30 06 Ammo For Elk Hunting And 30 06 M1 Garand Ammo Review now. 300 Win Mag vs 308 Best Cartridge for Elk The best cartridge for elk involves pushing a medium caliber, medium heavy bullet at a decent velocity. 308 left, 30-06 right What’s great about both the 308 and 30-06. Campfire Oracle. Is there anyone that has hunted in any of these units and can give me some friendly advice? The primary reason I started this thread was simply not having personal experience with the effectiveness of Fusion 30-06 bullets on critters as big and tough as a bull elk. A: Yes, the brass casing of the .30-06 Springfield (2.494″) is the larger than the casing used for the .308 cartridge (2.015″). First off, I know all too well that elk can and have been killed with little cartridges. Beyond that distance, shooting becomes tricky with any cartridge. For most of us that means the elk should be 300 yards or closer. With the 300-plus-yard elk capability of the .308 Win., what argument is there for the .30-06 Sprg. This article explores those cartridges that are going to give you an edge in elk hunting, not by being “adequate” but by being down and dirty, serious, no-holds-barred, remove-the-doubt, kill-them-dead elk cartridges. It is about time we squashed the beef. Back when l used to guide clients for shikar in Nagpur (India ) , many of my American clients used to bring a .30-06 Springfield calibre rifle for hunting Sambhar deer . Aug 27, 2020 #21 T. Tock-O Senior Member. REVIEW MORE BEST BUY PRODUCTS HERE. • But I need to be honest here. But are you telling me you will invest all that money, all that time and all those dreams in an elk hunt and then not practice with your rifle? I have put down more animals with a 308 than all of my other rifles combined. I am talking varmint-rifle accurate. I often totally bone out the elk in the field to lighten the load. I don’t buy the “leave the bullet in the critter and expend all the energy” school of thought. Let me walk you through a non-biased 308 vs. 30-06 review. The first three elk I took were in the Blue Mountains in Washington State. There are many ways to start an argument in polite company, but three of the best are to kick a man’s dog, kiss his wife or insult his elk gun. The newer .338 Federal is actually a decent enough elk cartridge for timber hunting, as is the old-but-hanging-in-there .358 Winchester. pushes a 180-grain bullet. Think for a minute about how foolish that sounds. I have a Kimber .30/06 that I used on my elk. and hits harder than a .416 Remington. But only with handloads. The cartridge uses Hornady’s new propellant technology to produce better ballistics than a .375 H&H, but from a much shorter barrel. More Hunting. A 30-06 or 35 Whelen is hard to beat as an elk rifle. You Bet by: Loki I'm a Montana mule deer and elk hunter. Feb 19, 2020: 308 for Elk? The .300 belted magnums—.300 H&H, .300 Winchester and .300 Weatherby—are all decent enough elk cartridges. Parece ser que por el mismo principio que se prohíbe el 7,62x54R, el .30-06 Springfield está en el punto de mira. By the time the bull is clear of the cows, they are in the timber and he is following. The smack-down of the big 6X6 before he could make good on his escape proved that he (and I) are right. Why risk the outcome of your hunt with a small, possibly inadequate, rifle cartridge? Well my uncle called me the other day, it had been a terrible day actually, and invited me on a caribou/ bird/ fishing trip next August. NEXT: ELK AMMO GUIDE Foundry Outdoors is your trusted home for buying archery, camping, fishing, hunting, shooting sports, and outdoor gear online. Finally, we have the momma of all the belted magnums, the .375 H&H. It is simply the .300 WSM necked up to take a .358-diameter bullet. Proponents for each swear on the supremacy of their favorite cartridge. A normal cup and core like a SGK or Core Lokt would be a better choice. of energy remaining at 200 yards? The bullet used in the .30-06 Springfield and in the .308 has the same size diameter (.308). Proving I am a good shot does not seem like a viable reason to use a marginal cartridge.Of course shot placement is important. I prefer to prove my shooting abilities at the range and in competition, not when I am hunting. Fell 1 foot across the line you had to let it lie there rot... Here is a rifle that 30‑06 for elk chambered for the wildcat.358 Winchester the success was rewarding! 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