Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. Cold and Clean Rifle Barrel. That puts the round on target at 50 yards and 200 yards, with less than a three-inch vertical deviation over that distance. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. With the gun zeroed to impact a 200-yard target dead center, the same .30-06 will be 1.72 inches high at 100 yards and 7.66 inches low at 300 yards. Don’t worry, Uncle Zo only writes about, and promotes, products or services that he’s personally purchased, used, and believes in. My indoor range says 50, but is actually 44. Let’s explore that using the external ballistics data of a bolt action rifle chambered for .30-06 Springfield with a sight height of 1.5″ shooting a 178 grain ELD-X Precision Hunter cartridge from Hornady. Place the target at 25 yards. Adjust the point of impact to the GRAY DOT in the middle of the target. The targets are ‘calibrated’ for use at 50 yards to obtain the 50y/200m improved zero. There are some interesting and important differences between a 50 yard zero and the 200 yard zero also highlighted by this additional data. The military 25 yard zero target is designed for iron sights. These should also help those using different rifle setups (barrel length) and/or heavier grain bullets get close. ALL TARGETS ARE DESIGNED TO BE PRINTED ON STANDARD 8.5" X 11" PAPER. VIEW ALL VERSIONS. Your mileage may vary. Let’s find out. Also, be sure to verify this at 300 yards when you can as there may be slight differences in each weapon that may alter the zero (sight over bore height, co-witness, barrel length, ammunition used, etc.). Does this change if the same rifle is zeroed at 200 yards? However, I firmly believe it should be referred to as a 200 yard zero (and actually zeroed at that distance) that provides a usable, but approximate, secondary zero at 50 yards. Be mindful to keep the optic's dot centered within the optic itself as much as possible when zeroing at this range as most optics are not entirely parallax free at 25 yards. … First you need to establish that the range is indeed 200 yards and then work out some way of judging 3" aim high point at that distance. Fifty yards, or 36 yards, or 25 meters are typically quite accessible. These targets utilize the same design as the standard ARMA DYNAMICS 50 Yard Red Dot Zero Target, but have been adjusted to provide a 50 yard zero while only shooting from the 25 yard line. Place the target at 25 yards. (click on the graphic below for the full series). This is why you hear people talking (and arguing) about different zeroes such as a 50/200 a 25/300 zero and a 36/300 yard zero. ARMA DYNAMICS PISTOL TARGETS . The ballistic compensation works out to provide a 50 / 100 yard zero with an AK platform using standard velocity 7.62x39mm ammunition. Simply shoot your groups and use the adjustment references to quickly move your point of impact. The flip side to this is a much wider trajectory deviation beyond 200 yards. These are useful for those who may not have access to a longer range, but would like to have a 300 yard zero. ARMA DYNAMICS recommends a 50 yard zero for your AR-15 rifle. With the target is correctly placed at 50 yards, the optics dot will completely cover the colored portion of the corresponding target. The 100-yard “All Purpose Zero” Compared to the targets from 25, 50, 200, and 300 yards, you probably noticed that a 100-yard zero really isn’t all that useful as a point-blank zero. As such, I think many folks who hold the 50/200 yard zero with high regard and believe the 50 yard and 200 yard zeros will always line up end up using a 50 yard zero and assume the 200 yard zero will line up. Again, we see that using a 200 yard zero doesn’t guarantee an exact second zero at 50 yards. Uncle Zo sometimes publishes affiliate links and advertisements, which means that if you click on a link and buy something, Uncle Zo might receive a percentage of the sale, at no extra cost to you. The secondary zero with this load in the bolt action rifle using a 50 yard zero found around the 125 yard mark. These targets utilize the same design as the standard ARMA DYNAMICS 50 Yard Red Dot Zero Target, but have been adjusted to provide a 50 / 100 yard zero while only shooting from the 25 yard line. My XCR and AK are both weapons I plan to use at 200 yards or less. If you sight in dead-on at 25 yards you're cool out to 172 yards. Carefully aim and fire a three-shot group center mass of the top silhouette. Your point of aim should be at the colored / bold outlined portion of the target. Frankly, when I hear folks parrot the exact same praise for anything I start suspecting something might be awry. To move 1″ with a 1/2 MOA click at 10 yards, you will need 20 clicks and so on… You may remember Frank Proctor’s method for achieving a 50/200 yard zero at 10 yards with your AR-15 that was mentioned here a few months ago. the 50-200 yard zero I have heard a lot about using a 50-200 yard zero, but would like to know how well it really works. The targets are designed to work with standard AR sight height (2.6" - 2.8" over the bore) using averaged M193 / M855 velocities from a 16" barrel. Mar 7, … Using these targets will save time and ammunition, while at the same time providing tighter groups and a better zero. It is possible to get pretty close to a 200 yard zero while using a rifle zeroing target at 50 yards. Reason 3: The 50 Yard Zero Is Attainable For Most Shooters… If you zero your rifle (most any modern hunting caliber) at 25 yards, then you will almost certainly be on the paper at 100 or 200 yards. Using an MPBR zero, you can also zero at shorter ranges. Learn how your comment data is processed. The ballistic compensation works out to provide a 50/200 yard zero. On all of the targets, the 100-yard reference always the highest impact point. Uncle Zo publishes his own opinions for informational and entertainment purposes only. Zeroing a rifle at 50 yards and assuming the secondary 200 yard zero will be usable is a mistake. For example, assuming we can consistently shoot 1 MOA groups with rifle and cartridge at 250 yards the smallest engage-able target with the 75 grain load would be about 4.63″ (2.13″ for trajectory deviation plus a 2.5″ group size) in diameter. The military 25 yard zero target is designed for iron sights. Be mindful to keep the optic's dot centered within the optic itself as much as possible when zeroing at this range as most optics are not entirely parallax free at 25 yards. 25 Yard Zero – I don’t care at all for sighting in at 25 yards. The targets are designed to work with standard AR sight height (2.6" - 2.8" over the bore) using averaged M193 / M855 velocities from a 16" barrel. This data shows us that a 200 yard zero does in fact provide a secondary zero fairly close to 50 yards. If you zero at 100 yards then as you mentioned it's 3" low at 200 yards. Be mindful to keep the optic's dot centered within the optic itself as much as possible when zeroing at this range as most optics are not entirely parallax free at 25 yards. With this being said, we also realize that what works for one does not necessarily work for another. A 50 yard zero means I will be less than 2" too high or too low out to 200 yards, in the rare case that the unexpected happens and I have to shoot at 300 or 400 yards, I just use holdover that gets me close. This turns out to be a great zero as it puts be just under an inch high at 100 yards, back to zero around 140 and about 5″ low at 200. We have created a series of graphics to compare the different zeros for various barrel length and ammunition combinations to better choose what works best for your needs. A Note On Windage First, zeroing a rifle a 50 yards doesn’t mean we magically get a second zero at 200 yards. guys keep in mind that inside 100-200 yards the caliber doesn't matter nearly as much as the height over bore of the sights. Whereas, like I discussed earlier, the 50 yard zero is pretty flat shooting from zero to 200 yards. Fifty yards is our initial intersection, and 200 yards is our true zero. The table below will show the drop experience by a couple of different 5.56 NATO loads in 50 yard increments out to 300 yards. First is the trajectory deviation between 50 and 200 yards is much narrower when using a 200 yard zero. Larger black ring to assist in centering the optic’s dot over the center of the target. 3060 fps (Factory) 25 yard zero=3.0 inches high at 100 yards.243 Winchester 100gr Hornady Interlock 2960 fps (Factory) 25 yard zero=2.9 inches high at 100 yards. It’s also the zero that’s used with Leupold and Trijicon’s optics, as zeroing at 50 yards will align the trajectory with the reticle. I have never used a 25 or 50 yard zero, never saw any reason to. Fire your group. I’m going to start this exploration with what I consider a very common setup: an AR-15 chambered for 5.56 NATO with a typical sight offset of 2.6″ and zero distance of 50 yards. If you follow the adjustment grid it will get you there. These should also help those using different rifle setups (barrel length) and/or heavier grain bullets get close. We do actually get a second zero between the 200 and the 250 yard mark but it is going to depend on the load fired from the rifle. Several forums had posts swearing that at 50 yard zero was the absolute best because it always gave you the same point of impact at 200 yards and therefore one could easily engage targets up to 200 yards (and even a bit further) with it without giving much thought to making adjustments. While I think the 50/200 yard zero has its merits, I think a lot of folks hold it in very high regard while also holding some misconceptions about it. Once you are zeroed to move the rear sight to 1. With a 50 yard zero, your bullet will only be about 1.57 inches above the line of sight at 100 yards and height maxes out just over 2 inches above around 150 yards. 1.3" high = 25 yards to 55 yards (1.8 inches to 0.8 inches below line of sight POA/POI = 50 yards to approx 175 yards (1 inch low, zero from 90 to 140, and dropping to 1" low at 175) Here's what holds with the same 1/2 inch leeway look like with a 50 yard zero (similar to a 200 yard zero): 2.3" high = 0 to 16 (2.8 inches to 1.8 inches low) We also provide adjusted range versions for those who only have access to a short range (25 yards), but want a 50/200 or 100 yard zero. Targets at a 100 yards would get a slightly high impact. Adjust the point of impact to the GRAY DOT in the middle of the target. Also, be sure to verify this at 50 yards when you can as there may be slight differences in each weapon that may alter the zero (sight over bore height, co-witness, barrel length, ammunition used, etc.). Your point of aim should be at the colored / bold outlined portion of the target. You should check that at 100 yards before shooting game. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. The typical 5.56 rifle zero is a 50 yard/meter zero. There is nothing magical about the 200 yard zero and it’s not a replacement for knowing one’s projectile trajectory. These are useful for those who may not have access to a longer range, but would like to have a 50 yard zero. Worrying about all the harmonics and every other variable doesn't really matter shooting less than 500. After setting the front and rear sights to mechanical zero, place a 10 meter adjusted 50/200 meter zeroing target down range at the 10 meter mark. As always, make sure to calculate the differences in clicks in your optics for the shorter range. You may not have access to a 300-yard rifle range, or even a 200-yard rifle range. The Point Blank Range of this round is 172 yards. When zeroed at 25 yards the round will also be zeroed at 300 yards. So what does the external ballistic data show us? 200-Yard Zero This is my preferred zero for most big-game hunting in places with a variety of terrain and cover. …and in reality, with a 25 yard zero you’d have to aim somewhere from 4 to 10 inches low at 100 yards. This gives me a lot more confidence in engaging targets up to 200 yards without making elevation adjustments. The ballistic compensation works out to provide a 50/200 yard zero. Worrying about all the harmonics and every other variable doesn't really matter shooting less than 500. As such, I think many folks who hold the 50/200 yard zero with high regard and believe the 50 yard and 200 yard zeros will always line up end up using a 50 yard zero and assume the 200 yard zero will line up. Perhaps more interesting, is that a 50 yard zero doesn’t even come close to providing a decent secondary zero at 200 yards. We offer pistol fundamental targets and zero targets for those running red dot optics on their pistols. The ballistic compensation works out to provide a 300 yard zero. 25 yard zero=2.77 inches high at 100 yards.270 WCF Winchester Silvertip 130gr. Concepts such as what you’re promoting are akin to the military 25/300 zeros that allow for a person to miss head shots as close as 100 yards because of the higher allowed maximum ordinate. It’s almost like the folks believed the 50/200 yard zero granted any rifle or cartridge mystical powers to get a good enough hit on any target up to about 250 or 300 yards. Typical "zero" is to be an inch or two high at 100 so right on at 200 and not too low at 250. … The table below will include drop data using a 50 yard zero, a 200 yard zero, and 100 yard zero for comparison. That is, it goes no higher or lower than 2" off the point of aim out to 172 yards. The black ring will assist in correctly centering the optic over the target for a near perfect hold (depending on if you do your part). Fire your group. This cartridge has 0.552 G1 ballistic coefficient and an advertised muzzle velocity of 2750 fps. Recently got into a discussion about different zero distances that included the topic of the 50/200 yard zero distance for riflescopes. With a 50 yard zero shooting 110gr TSX Black Tip, I’m about .5″ high at 100 yards, back to zero around 125, -2″ around 160 and about -6″ around 200 yards. Mar 6, 2013 #4 I zero at 200, inch high at hundred, 5 centimetre clicks up on the turret for 300 ( nearly 6" low at 300) and 7 more for 400. Which essentially means you zero at 50 yards and your bullet will hit the same point of aim at 200 yards. A more subtle, but also interesting thing to note, is that we do get a secondary zero around 60 yards when using a zero distance of 100 yards albeit it’s not a very usable secondary zero. Bold gray cross-hairs to assist in centering the reticule on the target. These targets are designed to take advantage of the human eye's natural tendency to center an object within a circle. Fire your group. The targets are designed to work with a low mount AK optic sight height (2.25" over the bore) using averaged 123gr 7.62x39mm velocities from a 16" barrel. That target won't work well for optic zero. These should also help those using different rifle setups (barrel length) and/or heavier grain bullets get close. Zeroing the EOTech at 25 yards will give an accurate aim point out to 300 yards. Be mindful to keep the optic's dot centered within the optic itself as much as possible when zeroing at this range as most optics are not entirely parallax free at 25 yards. Adjust the point of impact to the GRAY DOT in the middle of the target. A 50 yard zero allows the shooter to use a simple center-mass hold to ranges of point blank to 200-250 yards, depending on rifle and ammunition combination. Your point of aim should be at the colored / bold outlined portion of the target. Your rifle is only “zeroed” at the range you zero it at (50 yards, 25 yards, 36 yards, 100 yards) and the second distance will be a close guestimate until you confirm it at range. Fire your group. If you follow the adjustment grid it will get you there. The 50/200 zero variations and the 100 yard zero work well because they have been tested and had various bugs worked out. He is not a professional hunter, survivalist, self defense instructor, firearms instructor, or competitor. These should also help those using different rifle setups (barrel length) and/or heavier grain bullets get close. Once you are zeroed to move the rear sight to 1. These are useful for those who may not have access to a longer range, but would like to have a 100 yard zero. These targets utilize the same design as the standard ARMA DYNAMICS 50 Yard Red Dot Zero Target, but have been adjusted to provide a 100 yard zero while only shooting from the 25 yard line. 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Your point of aim should be at the colored / bold outlined portion of the target. It is possible to get pretty close to a 200 yard zero while using a rifle zeroing target at 50 yards. Ensure printer scaling is set to either 'off' or '100%' for proper print dimensions on all targets. He promises not to tell you about stuff that’s dumb. Frankly, he is an amateur at best. A few years ago when I got into rifle shooting and hunting, I searched the internet with the term “best zero distance for rifles” and some variations of that term and read everything I found. The OP was asking about a 200 yrd zero, not a 50. One of the most popular “Battle sight” zeros for the AR-15 is the 50/200. If you want to be zeroed for 200 meters, then you need to put your target out at 200 yards and finalize your zero. That's a little close. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! Edit: Just used Winchester Ammunition's ballistic calculator, and gave the same results as the chart when using 55gr FMJ and taking into account the 3" sight height of the optic I … You set the rear sight to 3/8 to zero at 25. This probably the second most common zero distance for a riflescope next to the proverbial 100 yard zero that is often vehemently defended as the ultimate zero distance. With a zero of 100 yards the .223/5.56 round will impact approx 3/4″ low at 50 yards and around 2.25″ low at 200 yards. In this video, I show you how to zero your rifle at 25 yards for 200. I can zero at 50 yards and know I can still land a shot at 200 yards. If you get an iron sight zero at 50 meters, then you zeroed only for 50 meters. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Targets under 50 yards would get a slightly low impact. If you follow the adjustment grid it will get you there. The 50 yard zero provides for effective center-mass hits on target at the ranges where a carbine is most commonly used. At the same, the secondary zero is much closer to the 50 yard mark when using a 200 yard zero in comparison to how close the secondary 200 yard zero was when using a 50 yard zero. 10 Meter Adjusted 50/200 Meter Zeroing Target; Instructions. Will a rifle sighted for 50 yards (ascending bullet) really be on target for 200 as the bullet descends? You might be wondering what a 50/200 yard look like if we use a different rifle and cartridge? Place the target at 25 yards. These targets utilize the same design as the standard ARMA DYNAMICS 50 Yard Red Dot Zero Target, but have been adjusted to provide a 300 yard zero while only shooting from the 25 yard line. Also, be sure to verify this at 100 yards when you can as there may be slight differences in each weapon that may alter the zero (sight over bore height, co-witness, barrel length, ammunition used, etc.). The ballistic compensation works out to provide a 100 yard zero. My abilities, the rifle’s capabilities, and the ammunition ballistic characteristics determine where on the paper at 100 yards the round is going to impact. It's something I have used for many years … These should also help those using different rifle setups (barrel length) and/or heavier grain bullets get close. Place the target at 25 yards. That’s my current opinion (which is outdated after looking at more zero distances and the maximum point blank range concept covered in this other post) based on analyzing a bunch of external ballistic data like the data presented in this post. Copyright © 2013-2016 ARMA DYNAMICS, LLC. Download these targets to assist in your pistol training. The initial zero at 25 yards will simply get me on paper at 100 yards but probably nowhere close to where I want to be. The targets are designed to work with a low mount AK optic sight height (2.25" over the bore) using averaged 123gr 7.62x39mm velocities from a 16" barrel. Set up a paper target exactly 25 yards downrange of your shooting platform. However, this requires using a chronograph to get an accurate velocity reading and a ballistic calculator to determine the expected trajectory deviation at 50 yards. D. Dan Newcombe Well-Known Member. Adjust the point of impact to the GRAY DOT in the middle of the target. Like we have seen a number of times now, the secondary 50 yard zero is not exact. Life experience has shown me that pattern of behavior tends to be a result of folks accepting a myth as fact. That trajectory crosses the 100 yard mark at 2" high, and the 150 yard mark at 1.09" high. That said there is still some truth to the claim that the 50 yard zero can be used to engage a target out to about 250 yards without having to worry much about making an elevation adjustment as long as the target larger than the projectile’s trajectory deviation plus the precision deviation of the cartridge and rifle combination. And so on. Grid lines with click adjustment references and adjustment dial references (1/2 MOA adjustments common on red dot sights). Bottom line is 50/200 yard zeros are very usable for many applications. Ensure your sight is set to mechanical zero. 100 Yard Zero – Not a bad option at all. The targets are designed to work with standard AR sight height (2.6" - 2.8" over the bore) using averaged M193 / M855 velocities from a 16" barrel. I think it’s important to note that it’s harder to find shooting ranges with rifle shooting lanes that go out beyond 100 yards. You set the rear sight to 3/8 to zero at 25. The 50/200 and similar type zeroes are a myth. That target won't work well for optic zero. You can use the windage and elevation adjustment dials to do it: both of them contain 160 clicks in total. These targets utilize the same design as the standard ARMA DYNAMICS 50 Yard Red Dot Zero Target, but have been adjusted to provide a 300 yard zero while only shooting from the 25 yard line. If you're lucky you might get the rifle "pretty close" in three or four shots. 200 yards zero you will be 1 inch high at 100.around 5 inch down at 300, Claret_Dabbler Well-Known Member. These are useful for those who may not have access to a longer range, but would like to have a 300 yard zero. If you follow the adjustment grid it will get you there. These are useful for those who may not have access to a longer range, but would like to have a 50 /100 yard zero. Fact is,most common big game loads would be about 3 inches high at 100 yards. 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